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  • 6. Anecdotes
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Blackrock/March 31, 2026/11 min read/youtu.be

BlackRock’s Hambro on Gold, Oil and the Next the Commodity Cycle | Bloomberg Podcasts

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"There is likely to be this rotation of capital back towards areas that are geopolitically important, industrially important, and are kind of the backbones of the global economy, away from areas that maybe have some threats to their business model." - Evy Hambro [00:14:05]

"You know the ongoing devaluation of paper currencies... means more indebtedness, it means more devaluation of paper currencies, and better returns for real assets." - Evy Hambro [00:06:15]

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"We're not in a transition as such, I just think we're in a phase where things are changing to be able to meet the need of rising consumption... this is an addition, not a transition." - Evy Hambro [00:21:26]

"It's been fascinating for me to read the reports that have been written underneath the kind of title of this HALO trade: Hard Assets and Low Obsolescence." - Evy Hambro [00:12:51]

"If you look at the quotes that they all say... it's not about chips, it's about power and property. And power, that's effectively everything we've spoken about in relation to rising energy demand." - Evy Hambro [00:34:45]


Speakers & Credentials

  • Merryn Somerset Webb: Host of the "Merryn Talks Money" Bloomberg Podcast. Financial journalist, author, and commentator with deep expertise in personal finance and macroeconomic market trends.
  • Evy Hambro: Global Head of Thematic and Sector Investing at BlackRock. He is a veteran investor with decades of experience managing massive portfolios centered around natural resources, gold, mining, and real assets, including the BlackRock World Mining Trust.

1. Executive Summary

  • The "HALO" Asset Rotation: The core thesis revolves around a paradigm shift toward "Hard Assets and Low Obsolescence" (HALO) due to escalating geopolitical conflict and structural inflation, moving capital away from vulnerable software and tech models.
  • Gold and Commodity Volatility Explained: Recent drastic drops in gold and silver prices are attributed to liquidity rushes, margin calls from leveraged algorithmic trading, and forced liquidations by Middle Eastern actors to fund defense, rather than a fundamental shift in real asset value.
  • The "Addition, Not Transition" Reality: Surging global energy requirements—driven by AI, robotics, and data centers—mean that fossil fuels are not being replaced but added to alongside renewables and nuclear energy to meet exponential demand.
  • The AI Capex Boom is a Materials Boom: The artificial intelligence race is essentially a race for "power and property," meaning hyperscaler spending will directly translate into massive, multi-year demand for copper, structural materials, and base energy load.

2. Chronological Table of Contents

  • 00:00:25 - Introduction & The "Turkish Portfolio"
  • 00:02:18 - Analyzing Recent Gold and Silver Volatility
  • 00:08:15 - Central Bank Buying & Middle East Defense Liquidation
  • 00:12:47 - The HALO Trade & Energy's Market Cap vs. GDP
  • 00:16:54 - Supply Chain Complacency: Fertilizer to Helium
  • 00:18:23 - The "Foothills" of a New Capex Cycle
  • 00:19:50 - Energy Addition vs. Energy Transition
  • 00:23:39 - Optimal Portfolio Allocations for Real Assets
  • 00:29:18 - Stablecoins, Tokenization, & Crypto
  • 00:34:22 - AI Hyperscalers: Power, Property, and Tokens
  • 00:37:17 - Final Thoughts and Book Recommendations

3. Detailed Thematic Summary

The Paradox of Gold Volatility Amid Geopolitical Crisis [00:02:18]

  • The Disconnected Hedge: Despite the onset of the Iran conflict, gold and silver behaved like highly volatile financial instruments, failing to provide immediate downside protection as expected by traditional retail investors [00:02:24]. Evy Hambro notes that gold surprisingly dropped over $1,000 an ounce in a matter of days [00:09:54].
  • Liquidity and Rebalancing Drivers: Hambro offers four distinct mechanisms for this drop:
    1. A classic historical rush to cash liquidity during macro shocks creates high correlation sell-offs across all asset classes [00:02:52].
    2. Portfolio rebalancing forced a liquidation of historically profitable gold and copper sleeves to buy severely under-allocated energy stocks as the Middle East conflict threatened global oil supply [00:03:49].
    3. Iran's ability to maintain a persistent disruption premium on energy markets will increase base inflation and interest rate forecasts, a mechanically negative setup for gold yields [00:05:06].
    4. Standard profit-taking was inevitable given rapid earlier appreciations, where some individuals saw gold allocations functionally double in a short window [00:05:43].
  • Leverage & Institutional Selling: Retail and institutional leverage severely worsened the downside volatility. Investors who typically hold a baseline 5% gold allocation had borrowed 2.5% against it (pushing functional exposure to 7.5%) [00:06:49]. Margin calls and algorithmic programmatic trading compounded these drops [00:07:39]. Additionally, regional nations facing cratered tourism and export metrics likely sold liquid reserve assets like gold to fund escalating defense budgets [00:08:50].

The HALO Trade & Energy Reality [00:12:47]

  • Hard Assets, Low Obsolescence: Capital is undergoing a structural rotation away from tech models threatened by AI, moving instead toward the "HALO" trade—assets with deep geopolitical importance, industrial necessity, and low risk of technological obsolescence [00:12:51].
  • The GDP vs. Market Cap Disconnect: Energy currently represents only roughly 3% of global financial market capitalization [00:12:23], yet it constitutes an overwhelmingly massive share of true global GDP and economic functionality [00:13:53].
  • Societal Complacency: Merryn Somerset Webb references Ed Conway's framework of the "ethereal world vs. the material world," highlighting that digital economies cannot exist without physical reality [00:15:29]. Hambro argues the defining feature of the material world is extreme "complacency"—decades of underinvestment mean the world is structurally unprepared for physical disruptions [00:15:48]. This extends from the reliance on sulfuric acid for agriculture to utilizing helium as the irreplaceable coolant for modern MRI machines [00:17:35].

Capex Cycles and Energy Addition [00:18:23]

  • The Foothills of a New Cycle: Pushing back against the terminology of a "commodity super cycle" (referencing the massive China-driven cycle from 2001 to 2008 [00:18:40]), Hambro prefers to frame current dynamics as the "foothills of a cycle" driven heavily by hyperscale capex spending and fundamental underinvestment [00:18:45].
  • The Energy Addition Model: The concept of an "energy transition" is mathematically flawed; it is an "energy addition" [00:21:26]. Global demand for energy molecules is rising violently due to EVs, data centers, and robotics [00:20:38]. Renewables cannot meet this alone, leading to structural reliance on traditional fossil fuels and nuclear. Gas turbines currently have an unmanageable 7-year waiting list [00:20:55]. Coal, deeply out of favor, is also seeing renewed pricing parity due to gas constraints [00:22:47].
  • AI Arms Race (Power and Property): The AI spending boom from hyperscalers cannot slow down because no corporation can risk losing the near-term arms race [00:34:22]. Consequently, the AI narrative is fundamentally about securing "power and property." Data centers require immense base-load energy ("power") and structural components like copper ("property") [00:34:51]. An AI robot trained to replicate human behavior requires exponentially more compute tokens than a desktop LLM query [00:36:10].

Asset Allocation, Valuation & Digital Future [00:23:39]

  • The Ideal Material Portfolio: For retail wealth management, average client portfolios allocate roughly 2% to 5% to gold, largely split between physical ETFs and higher-beta gold equities [00:25:07]. Hambro personally maintains a target 20% allocation to gold equities in his family pension, currently naturally drifted to 30% due to sheer outperformance [00:23:55]. Broader commodities sit at around 4% to 5%, but if real assets mapped accurately to global economic importance, they should be in the high single digits [00:26:39].
  • Miners and Valuation: Major diversified mining stocks trade at deep discounts to both their historical multiples and the broader market [00:27:15]. Because commodities had a record year (referenced as 2025 in the transcript), these companies are generating massive cash flows. Dividend yields temporarily lag, but payout constraints provide excellent fiscal discipline against wasteful M&A [00:27:45].
  • Stablecoins vs. Bitcoin: Hambro maintains deep skepticism of unbacked Bitcoin volatility, but is highly bullish on asset tokenization and stablecoins [00:29:18]. He forecasts a near-term reality where consumers spend fractionalized, tokenized units of equities to prevent capital from eroding in static cash. For example, if the FTSE 100 rises 3%, spending that fractional equity essentially makes your daily coffee 3% cheaper [00:31:19].

The Reference Vault

4. Data & Figures

Data PointValueContextTimestamp
Standard Wealth Manager Gold Allocation2%The historical average baseline percentage of gold held in standard retail portfolios.[00:01:14]
"Gavkal Turkish Portfolio" Gold Allocation50%High extreme allocation mentioned during Merryn's "Weekend of Mistakes" audience survey.[00:01:45]
Gold Baseline Portfolio Leverage5% + 2.5%Example of typical retail/institutional financial leverage pushing baseline 5% exposure to 7.5% functional exposure.[00:06:49]
Gold Peak Price Drop>$1,000 / ounceThe stated rapid magnitude of the downside price retracement in gold over recent days.[00:09:54]

5. Core Frameworks & Mental Models

  • The HALO Trade (Hard Assets and Low Obsolescence) [00:12:51]:
    • Application: A capital rotation framework driven by AI fears and macroeconomic instability. Investors shift money away from high-margin SaaS/tech companies facing existential AI disruption and move it into foundational commodities (mining, physical infrastructure, base power generation). These foundational materials cannot be obsoleted by code.
  • The "Power and Property" Model of AI [00:34:51]:
    • Application: Rather than viewing Artificial Intelligence solely as a software or semiconductor ("chips") story, this model frames AI as an intensive physical infrastructure buildout. Hyperscalers essentially require "power" (massive localized energy consumption) and "property" (physical data centers heavily reliant on copper, steel, and concrete), directly tying software advancement to raw commodity demand.
  • Energy Addition (Not Energy Transition) [00:21:26]:
    • Application: A reality-check framework on climate initiatives. Because total structural energy demand is increasing aggressively via digitization and electrification, renewables cannot replace legacy sources fast enough. Therefore, the global economy is in a phase of adding all energy sources simultaneously (oil, gas, coal, nuclear, solar) rather than safely transitioning from one to another.
  • The Dividend Discipline Handbrake [00:27:45]:
    • Application: A corporate governance model in mining. High dividend requirements function not just as equity compensation, but as a deliberate "handbrake" on management teams. It restricts their free cash flow, preventing them from making hasty, overpriced M&A decisions or ill-advised capital expansions at the top of commodity price cycles.

6. Anecdotes

  • The Weekend of Mistakes & The "Turkish Portfolio" [00:01:03]:
    • Merryn recounts surveying an audience at the "Weekend of Mistakes" in Haley about their gold portfolios. While typical wealth managers target 2%, nearly everyone had 5%. Even at 30%, many hands remained up, and at an absurd 50% allocation—a structure known at Gavkal as the "Turkish Portfolio"—two people still had their hands raised, highlighting the immense fear-driven hoarding of retail investors.
  • Helium and MRI Complacency [00:17:35]:
    • To illustrate the profound global complacency surrounding raw material supply chains, the speakers discuss the sudden public realization that helium is not just for balloons, but is the irreplaceable liquid coolant required to operate hospital MRI machines. A breakdown in global extraction supply lines literally threatens local healthcare infrastructure, showcasing the "material vs. ethereal" world divide.
  • Tokenizing the Morning Coffee [00:31:19]:
    • To conceptualize the future of tokenization beyond Bitcoin, Hambro describes a scenario where an individual’s savings are stored in fractional, spendable equity tokens rather than depreciating cash. If a person checks their phone and sees the FTSE 100 has risen 3% overnight, their morning coffee effectively becomes 3% cheaper in real-time purchasing power.
  • The Hyperscaler Space Race [00:34:22]:
    • When discussing whether current LLM energy constraints will prompt a pullback in spending, Hambro notes the sheer desperation of hyperscalers. He points to Elon Musk floating wild ideas like building solar panels in space or data centers on the moon just to bypass terrestrial energy grid constraints—proving that near-term earthly commodity consumption and spending will not pause for efficiency breakthroughs.

7. References & Recommendations

  • People & Organizations:
    • Evy Hambro: Global Head of Thematic and Sector Investing at BlackRock.
    • Merryn Somerset Webb: Bloomberg Podcast Host.
    • Gavkal: Global macroeconomic research firm (referenced for the "Turkish Portfolio" concept).
    • Rishi Sunak: Mentioned regarding historical UK inflation blame dynamics.
    • Elon Musk: Referenced regarding his aggressive, space-oriented views on data center power limitations.
  • Companies & Assets:
    • BlackRock World Mining Trust: Highlighted for having a record absolute return year in 2025.
    • Tether & Circle: Stablecoin companies praised for efficient global digital transactions.
  • Books & Concepts:
    • Material World by Ed Conway: Referenced regarding the massive disconnect between the ethereal (digital) economy and the material (physical) economy that sustains it.
    • Cold Comfort Farm by Stella Gibbons: Evy Hambro’s unexpected current reading recommendation, chosen primarily because his daughter is acting in a theatrical performance of it.

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Silver Price Action Peak>100Silver's volatile spike before rapidly reverting to fundamentally driven levels.[00:11:08]
Energy Market Capitalization~3%Energy's proportion of overall global stock market indices, dwarfed by its GDP impact.[00:12:23]
Last Major Commodity Cycle2001 - 2008The timeline of the last major cycle heavily driven by Chinese infrastructural expansion.[00:18:40]
Gas Turbine Supply Constraint7 YearsThe current infrastructural waitlist duration just to procure gas turbines for base power generation.[00:20:55]
Hambro's Target Personal Gold Equity20%The intended core target weighting in Evy Hambro's personal family pension plan.[00:23:55]
Hambro's Current Personal Gold Equity30%The drifted/current un-rebalanced weighting due to sheer asset class outperformance.[00:23:55]
Client General Commodity Target4% to 5%The recommended broader materials allocation slice, kept completely separate from pure gold tracking.[00:26:39]
Equity Tokenization Purchasing Power3%An example showing that if a fractional ETF token rises 3%, everyday goods (like coffee) effectively become 3% cheaper when spent dynamically.[00:31:19]