Jeffrey Gundlach on U.S. Debt, Private Credit and Gold | The Julia La Roche Show

"Because our debt burden and the way we're financing the government with $2 trillion of deficits here since it's completely untenable, something has to give. If something is untenable, it has to stop." - Jeffrey Gundlach [00:00:03]

"I've been of the opinion that the secular decline in interest rates would definitely be over for long-term interest rates because of the interest expense on the Treasury debt which has absolutely exploded." - Jeffrey Gundlach [00:02:47]

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"Because our debt burden and the way we're financing the government with $2 trillion of deficits here since it's completely untenable, something has to give. If something is untenable, it has to stop." - Jeffrey Gundlach [00:00:03]

"I've been of the opinion that the secular decline in interest rates would definitely be over for long-term interest rates because of the interest expense on the Treasury debt which has absolutely exploded." - Jeffrey Gundlach [00:02:47]

Data Point	Value	Context	Timestamp
US Annual Budget Deficit	$2 Trillion	Incremental government deficit spending annually.	[00:03:04]
Treasury Interest Expense (Historic)	$300 Billion	Annual interest expense before the recent aggressive rate hike cycle.	[00:03:18]
Treasury Interest Expense (Current)	$1.4 Trillion	Current annual expense due to massive debt loads and 5%+ rates.	[00:03:18]
Average Treasury Coupon	3.8%	The current average yield of rolling off Treasury bonds.	[00:03:43]
US National Debt

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Speakers & Credentials

1. Executive Summary

2. Chronological Table of Contents

3. Detailed Thematic Summary

The End of the Secular Rate Decline & The US Debt Crisis [00:00:03]

The Looming Treasury Restructuring & DoubleLine's Defense [00:10:25]

Asset Allocation: Fleeing US Exceptionalism [00:16:33]

Private Credit: The Next Subprime Crisis [00:21:00]

The Federal Reserve & The Two-Year Treasury Model [00:38:05]

Gold, Central Banks, and "Investing on Need" [00:49:42]

The Reference Vault

4. Data & Figures

5. Core Frameworks & Mental Models

6. Anecdotes

7. References & Recommendations

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